Here is Samuel Seaman's verdict on Norwich City, who went crashing out of the Carabao Cup with a 4-0 loss to Crystal Palace.
George Long
A tough evening for the City second choice, who did little to advance his claims for a more regular starting berth. Too easily rounded for the opener, could only push the third into the net and was nowhere to be seen for Eberechi Eze's cherry on the cake.
Did the simple things well fairly often in possession, but went long a little too often. In truth he may well have let Archie Mair into the frame for future opportunities, and he's probably increased Angus Gunn's security as number one. 4
Kellen Fisher
Never shies away from a battle, but looked especially up for this one. Set the tone early on with a couple of crunching tackles out wide and continued to impress defensively throughout the first half.
Declined slightly in the second period, as did most of his team-mates, and was caught out for the third goal when Eze ghosted in behind him to set up Jean-Phillipe Mateta. A step in the right direction nonetheless. 7
Grant Hanley
Caught out very early on when his poor ball forward was capitalised on for the opener within two minutes. Looked like that would set the tone, especially given criticisms of his work in possession, but he improved hugely for the rest of the first half.
Struggled in the second half, however, and the centre-backs always have to be questioned when opposition players find as much space as the hosts' did in the box. Still seems like Shane Duffy is ahead of him in the pecking order. 5
Jose Cordoba
Not an ideal debut for a defender, and it started poorly when he jumped naively out before the first goal. But his passing was consistently smart and reliable, and the work out of possession improved as time went on.
Many expected more from the debut of one of City's marquee summer signings, but he was rather thrown into the deep end against mid-table Premier League quality. Not terrible, but not exactly what he'd have hoped for. 6
Ben Chrisene
Highlighted the strengths in his game that Johannes Hoff Thorup has discussed, getting forward well to combine with Onel Hernandez. Technically a good player and a hand-in-glove fit for the new City system.
But defensively lax at times, and saw his influence wane before being replaced by Callum Doyle just before the 60-minute mark. An interesting choice now facing Thorup on that left-hand side of defence. 6
Liam Gibbs
The best performance for a while from the former Ipswich Town prospect, who didn't look like he fit in under Thorup but but was much closer to his best in South London.
Moved the ball quicker, made better decisions and looked more of a threat in the final third. May need time to adapt to the defensive requirements of central midfield after being used as a striker by David Wagner, and there was evidence of that at times. 7
Marcelino Nunez
The Chilean has been prone to lapses in concentration throughout his Norwich career, and this unfortunately was an evening full of them. It wasn't without its good work, with his quick two-touch passing key in many of his side's best offensive moves.
Too often when that should have been the case, though, he was too lax and played balls lacking pace or misdirected. Skied over the bar at the end of perhaps the most fluid passing move of the night from the visitors. An off day overall. 5
Amankwah Forson
An unfortunate and painful-looking fall ended his evening prematurely, although Thorup seemed optimistic in his post-match press call. 5
Gabriel Forsyth
Some clever touches and exciting involvements early on, but will be gutted he didn't mark his second City start with a goal when Ante Crnac's effort broke his way shortly after the opening goal.
Still looks like he's adapting to the physicality of senior football, but has the technical ability to play a role this season. Petered out before being substituted in the second half. 6
Ante Crnac
Not a great start to life as a Norwich City striker. Tried through the middle with Josh Sargent on the bench and couldn't make the ball stick very often.
Also saw his passing and shooting desert him the majority of the time, finding only Dean Henderson with two good chances to open his yellow and green account. Looks to be a good technical player there, but still plenty of work to be done. 4
Onel Hernandez
Another statement Carabao Cup performance from the Cuban, who must be in Thorup's thinking for some more significant game time in the league before long.
Gave 14-cap former England international Nathaniel Clyne a torrid time throughout the first half, and matched his strong dribbling work with an improved end product. Tailed off in the second half, especially when moved to a central position. 7
SUBSTITUTES
Kenny McLean (on for Forson, 13)
For all the talk of old dogs and new tricks, the Scot was the heartbeat of City's passing game. Energetic enough to be a constant option, matching it with the quality to get his side ticking at an impressive pace.
Too safe at times in the second half and struggled to stem the flow of Palace attacks, but underlined why he's still an important cog in the Norwich machine. 7
Callum Doyle (on for Chrisene, 58)
Added a bit of physicality and technical quality to the defence, limiting the problems created by his relative lack of pace at full-back. 6
Oscar Schwartau (on for Forsyth, 58)
An encouraging debut. Some flashes of technical brilliance and a creative eye, but his influence decreased quickly. Thorup talked up his physicality after the Sheffield United draw, and Schwartau backed him up here.
Would have been the cherry on top to finish the rebound from the chance he gifted Crnac, and it probably should have been. 7
Jack Stacey (on for Nunez, 83) N/A
Borja Sainz (on for Crnac, 83) N/A
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